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    <span style="font-size: 17pt">War memorial vandals criticised

    The state of a Dundee war memorial has been criticised as calls are made for it to be restored and relocated.


    <span style="font-size: 8pt">Names have been written and paint daubed on the war memorial

    The monument in Caird Park records the names of the men from Mains Parish who died during World War One.

    It was erected in 1922, but over recent years has been vandalised by people writing their names or slogans on it.

    However, it may be difficult to clean because the sandstone could be damaged by any attempts to use chemicals or pressure washes.

    The poor state of the monument was highlighted by the Scottish War Memorials Project, which is trying to record details of all the war memorials in Scotland.

    David McNay, from the project, told the BBC Scotland news website that the Caird Park memorial was one of the worst they had seen.

    "You do see the occasional bit of damage - that can happen over time, I mean some of these are approaching nearly 100 years old now," he said.

    "But this does seem to be out of the ordinary, it just seems to have been left completely with no attention spent on it at all.

    "Restoration needs to be looked at because some of the names recorded on there are in danger of being lost.

    "And I also think relocation because it's obviously in a bad situation for vandals."


    <span style="font-size: 8pt">Trying to clean the memorial could damage the sandstone

    Major Ronnie Proctor, from the Black Watch Association, added: "Vandalism to any war memorial really is quite shocking.

    "The people who have committed this act should realise that the men whose names are on these memorials have actually given up their lives so they have got the freedom that they take for granted today.

    "These names are not just names conjured up out of a hat but they have been sons, fathers, brothers, real people who lived."

    Councillor Bob Duncan explained that the porous nature of sandstone made saving the monument difficult.

    He said: "Unfortunately there is not a lot anyone can do now to clean up or preserve the stone after almost 90 years of exposure to the elements, and more recently vandalism of the worst kind.

    "Sandstone, while an attractive rock, soaks up the inks and paints that have been daubed on it and any attempts to clean it only result in more damage.

    "There is no way that it can be pressure washed or have any harsh chemicals used on it as the memorial is now comparatively delicate.

    "The memorial was erected by the people of Mains Parish to commemorate their war dead, but unfortunately the community spirit that was so prevalent in the immediate aftermath of the horrors of World War One seems to no longer exist there."

    Source: The BBC

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    Re: Caird Park War Memorial Dundee & vandals

    Aye, Eck but gittin a conviction thats something else, these dundonians are no very bright,
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    You can say that again Nellie, but would it not be more cost effective if the monument was replaced with a new one.
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    Move it up beside the Powrie brae yin,oot the road and away from the people who need help in the form of drugs,alcohol and get them out of the sorry state that they are in.
    Dregs of society

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    Bob,The Powrie Brae memorial has also to be cleaned every year because of these halfwits,I have always felt that they should all be moved into the city centre where all the CCTV cameras are.
    Nellie,I BEG YOUR PARDON!

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    Sorry, Charlie, but I meant the lunatics that did this, of course you can,t tar everybody with the same brush,
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    Been at the Powrie brae a couple of times and it is only normally BIRD droppings that are on it.
    Hence the saying that I laddie am going to crap on you from a great height

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    Seems the Dundee leisure services boss , Councillor Bob Duncan has got all the excuses of the day to continue the way the Labour Council of these many years in Dundee cared for and maintained this Parish of Mains War Memorial in Dundee ! The old council since 2005 wilfully failed in their duties to Baillie Gillies and to Lt Col J B Muir DSO, commanding 4/5th Bn The Black Watch as Baillie Gillies accepted the custody and care of the Memorial on behalf of the Corporation during the Unveiling event in May 1922 . Baillie Gillies would have thought that his Successors in the City would take the necessary care /maintenance required as these Brave Men laid down their lives ahead of them for Freedom in our land of Great Britain

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    Typical council passing the buck as usual.
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    Courier &amp; Advertiser : Craigie Section Thursday 23 April 2009

    SADDENED BY NEGLECT OF CITY WAR MEMORIAL:

    Mr Patrick Anderson of Forfar , who is a member of the Scottish War Memorials Project website has written to express sadness at Dundee City Council's attitude to war memorial vandalism.

    "The Vandalised memorial in Dundee's Caird Park is there to honour the 25 Men from the Parish of MAINS who made the supreme sacrifice in the First World War . I read in a 1922 edition of The Scotsman that it was unveiled by Lt Col J B Muir DSO and after the Cememony , Baillie Gillies accepted custody of the memorial on behalf of the Corporation .

    "It would appear that over the years the Council has neglected the promise of care which Baillie Gillies would have expected his successors to uphold, and there are now suggestions in the media that Lord Provost Letford was notified of this vandalism back in 2005 , but has done nothing to improve the situation. The Council has wilfully failed the men of the Mains Parish who fell in action during the first World War.

    "The Council officers should hold their heads in shame as repair , and restoration of the memorial should have taken place as soon as they received the first notification from the public . Nothing seems to have been done. All councils in the UK get money from the Government for the maintenance and upkeep of their memorials , but it seems few councils in Scotland and the UK use the money for this purpose.

    "I am sure my colleagues from the Scottish War Memorials Project and those in the Tayside and Fife Branch of the Western Front Association , as well as the Black Watch Association , will keep a close eye on the progress of the repair and restoration . I am also sure any relatives of Lt Col Muir who did the Unveiling Ceremony back in May 1922 will be shocked at seeing the wilful neglect of the memorial that was handed over to the care and custody of the Corporation .

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    The Craigie section editor missed out the fact that Lt Colonal J B Muir DSO was Commanding 4/5th Bn The Black Watch

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