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    Help With A Service Record

    Hi All,

    I am trying to interpret my Grandad's service record and I think I need a bit of help from those in the know!

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    Firstly, the service record states that my Grandad enlisted in 1937 and that he was aged 22. However, given he was born in 1905, this does not quite compute! I am therefore assuming that he had previously enlisted. I think this is confirmed by the fact that he did training in 1928 which is mentioned on this service record. Would he have had the same service number when he originally enlisted? And if so, how do I get my hands on that service record? This one came from Findmypast and there is no mention of any others in his name.

    Anyway, on to what I need help with.....
    I have managed to work our he enlisted with the TA Unit 4/5. Then on the spot was promoted to Sergeant - I am assuming due to his previous service?
    From there he went to training camp.
    The next bit is where it starts to get blurry - can someone confirm whether he then became an Acting Colour sergeant?
    The he was posted, and reverted back to rank of Sergeant. What is the "Y" list and can anyone help me with where he might have been posted to?
    Then back to Infantry Training Centre - where would it have been based?
    Then onto service with the RAF - again, does anyone have any ideas where?
    Then finally, I have drawn a blank as to what the abbreviations mean on the final entry - any ideas?

    Sorry for so many questions. But I am living on the other side of the world in NZ so research is quite hard.

    Many thanks for any information/help in advance.

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    Anyway, on to what I need help with.....

    • I have managed to work our he enlisted with the TA Unit 4/5. Then on the spot was promoted to Sergeant - I am assuming due to his previous service?

    • From there he went to training camp.

    • The next bit is where it starts to get blurry - can someone confirm whether he then became an Acting Colour sergeant?

    It states that he became an Acting Colour Sergeant (unpaid) on 16 Sep 1940. The next entry on the same date states he was then granted Pay for the rank

    • The he was posted, and reverted back to rank of Sergeant. What is the "Y" list and can anyone help me with where he might have been posted to?

    As far as I understand it, the Y list was and is the means of accounting for personnel who are not where they were initially posted: - in hospital, at reinforcement or holding units, being taken on or struck off strength, transferred to other units, even outside the army, like secondments to the War Office.


    • Then back to Infantry Training Centre - where would it have been based?

    He would have been taken off the Y List as he was deemed fit to return to duty. Was he injured or ill?

    Each unit had their own training centre with the Black Watch being Queens Barracks Perth. If it was not here then it may have been Catterick


    • Then onto service with the RAF - again, does anyone have any ideas where?

    Back on the Y List because he was posted away from his unit


    • Then finally, I have drawn a blank as to what the abbreviations mean on the final entry - any ideas?

    No idea what the administration abbreviations mean but he was transferred to the RAF Regiment. They at that time (I think) were the specialists for guarding RAF frontline camps.



    What was his name?

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    Thank you for the information. Grandad died before I was born and no-one ever talks about him, so at this stage I have no information on whether he was injured or had a long-term illness which may account for him returning to duty. Looks like I may have to do a bit of digging there!

    His name was Andrew Thom Ogg, so if anyone has any information on what he got up to or where he was posted I would be very grateful.

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