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    4/5th Battalion

    I understand that the 4th Battalion and the 5th Battalion Black Watch were both established in 1908. But when (year from-to) were they amalgamated in 4/5th Battalion - was that during WW1 and again during WW2? And when were they disbanded?
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    Hi Aboode,

    The 4th and 5th were amalgamated on the 15th of March 1916. They returned to their seperate entites after the war.

    In WW2 they remained seperate battalions throughout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deeko View Post
    Hi Aboode,

    The 4th and 5th were amalgamated on the 15th of March 1916. They returned to their seperate entites after the war.

    In WW2 they remained separate battalions throughout.

    Cheers,
    Derek.
    Derek,
    Were they de-linked in 1919?
    But what about WW2 and after? The website "British Army Units from 1945 on" mentions the following:
    4th/5th (Dundee and Angus) Battalion, The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) .
    1947.01.01 reconstituted in T.A. with HQ at Dundee, and concurrently amalgamated with duplicate 5th Battalion .
    . A Company at Dundee .
    . B Company at Dundee .
    . C Company at Arbroath .
    . D Company at Brechin .
    1967.04.01 disbanded and concurrently amalgamated with 6th/7th Battalion, to form TAVR elements of The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) .

    Does that not mean that (at least from 1947) the 4th and 5th Battalions were linked again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboode View Post
    Derek,

    Were they de-linked in 1919? Yes, in June 1919. However, in January 1922 they were again amalgamated.

    But what about WW2 and after? During WW2 they were seperate Battalions

    Does that not mean that (at least from 1947) the 4th and 5th Battalions were linked again? Yes
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    Derek,
    I now have the following for the 4th and 5th Battalions (separate or amalgamated) for the period from 1908 to disbandment in 1967:
    1908-1914 : 4th Bn and 5th Bn
    1914-1916 : 1/4th Bn and 1/5th Bn
    1916-1919 : 4/5th Bn
    1919-1922 : 4th Bn and 5th Bn
    1922-1939 : 4/5th Bn
    1939-1947 : 4th Bn and 5th Bn
    1947-1967 : 4/5th Bn
    Hope I have got it right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboode View Post
    Derek,
    I now have the following for the 4th and 5th Battalions (separate or amalgamated) for the period from 1908 to disbandment in 1967:
    1908-1914 : 4th Bn and 5th Bn
    1914-1916 : 1/4th Bn and 1/5th Bn
    1916-1919 : 4/5th Bn
    1919-1922 : 4th Bn and 5th Bn
    1922-1939 : 4/5th Bn
    1939-1947 : 4th Bn and 5th Bn
    1947-1967 : 4/5th Bn
    Hope I have got it right now!
    Aad
    Hope this works. Page 34 of the Link

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    Chalky, Thank you for the link.
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    Small silver-plate box 3 x 1.75 x 2 inches studded and lined in green velvet. The top mounted with a Scottish thistle and the coat of arms of Soissons, to the four corners a fleur-de-lis and to the four sides a thistle motif. To commemorate the losses of the 15th Scottish Division who fought alongside the French 23-28 July 1918 in an action near Buzancy in the Soisson sector. The French General in command ordered the engineers of the 17th Div to erect a memorial to the Scots a simple pyradid with a thistle and rose as the only decoration. Inscribed on the monument.
    Here will flourish forever
    the glorious thistle of Scotland
    among the roses of France

    The 17th French Infantry Division
    To
    The 15th Scottish Infantry Division

    For the part 4/5th Bn played see Wauchope Vol 11 pp 99-101.




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