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    Can anyone supply information on this unit?


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    Ron,

    The 42nd Reserve Co. Black Watch is perplexing. The parade pictures could easily be in Montreal. The only date markers are the automobiles that appear to be late 1940s. That the cars are parked on the right hand side of the street indicates Canada. A WW2 veterans conclave?

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    You are probably correct Mike, I tried to zoom in on the shop signs but they were a bit blurred and initially I thought the writing was in a foreign language,so as it could be Montreal it may be in French. Bill...

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    This is the last of the pictures from this group, the battledress and medal ribbons clearly post 1945.
    Some of the veterans look to be from WW1, the third man from the left might have just nodded off!
    As they have their own colours suggests an official unit?

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    Have just found out this is the 42nd Coy Veterans Guard of Canada, view website powsincanada.wordpress.com/category/veterans-guard-of-canada/
    Ron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmarsden View Post
    Have just found out this is the 42nd Coy Veterans Guard of Canada, view website powsincanada.wordpress.com/category/veterans-guard-of-canada/
    Ron.
    Great find, Ron. Out of curiosity, please recount the steps in your detective work that took you to this site.

    Mike

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    Mike, Bill A moderator of Canadian threads on badge forum suggested Veterans Guard, from there I just googled it.
    Ron.

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    Lt.Col Kenneth Perry DSO & Bar CO of 13th CEF Bn.
    He is wearing an Imperial style glengarry badge with Sphinx, not the unique 13th Bn example shown in my post no 18.

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    The Pics can be confusing, pit helmets, glengarries, looks like flash back to pre 1915, noted Cdn Black Watch dropped the Glengarry in 1916, while support and some still wore the capbadge, nearing the end of FWW: Only hackles were worn with balmoral bonnets. Documentation on the 42nd Coy Veterans Guard of Canada formation affiliated with the Royal Highlanders of Canada are scarce, the pictures are a great fined. I believe the 42nd reflected FWW CEF 42nd Batt., looks like the Pipes marching down de Bleury Street approaching the armoury during Remembrance Day parade. The Other Picture wearing glengarries and trousers looks like Sherbrooke near Atwater.

    That picture of the Lt.-Col. could be post FWW, I would have to check if he was previous member of the 73rd many joined 13th batt when the battalion was disbanded, that capbadge is typical of a 42nd or 73rd Batt., RHC officer, considering by 1916-17 5th Regt RHC officers were wearing that same badge.


    The Canadian Black Watch badge worn with the glengarry only by some Officers, Officer cadets or the Pipe band post 1917-2015. The rank and file of the regiment wears the blamoral bonnet with the red hackle, only, preferably fanned and properly bloomed which is a file tradition, seeded post SWW.

    Picture from the 50s Regular Force 1st Div (Black Watch) Royal Highland Regiment of Canada.

    Canadian Black Watch, 3 of its members part of the Boxing team..jpg




    Adding more:

    Veterans Guard of Canada

    Corps of First World War veterans between the ages of 40 and 65, formed in May 1940, for full-time and reserve service during the Second World War. It grew to 10,000 men in 1944 with another 8,000 on part-time service. The great majority served in Canada with a few companies in Newfoundland, London (England), Nassau (Bahamas) and Georgetown (Guyana). Some veterans stood guard power plants, factories and other installations deemed essential to the war effort but most served as guards at the POW and enemy aliens internment camps in Canada. In 1944-1945, some went to India and Burma as “mule skinners”. The Veteran’s Guard continued to serve after the war until March 1947 when the last veterans were disbanded.

    http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/html/gl-ga/ind...etter=V&page=1



    Veterans Guard of Canada:
    Although I mentioned the Veterans Guard before, the article linked yesterday has a description that's worth a post by itself. (paragraph breaks added)


    As early as May 1940, the Department had created a new organization called the Veteran Guards of Canada. They assumed responsibility for guarding the captured soldiers in May 1941. The Veteran Guards consisted mostly of First World War veterans too old for battlefront duty. The maximum age for duty was fifty, but many slipped in despite their age.


    Veteran Guard units were formed across Canada and they were assigned several different tasks ranging from guarding military targets, dams, bridges, power plants to government installations. The most important assignment, however, was guarding POW’s. From an initial limited recruitment of a few hundred men, the Veteran Guards of Canada expanded to over 10,000 by 1943 and was 15,000 strong by 1945.


    At first glance, the aging First World War veteran seemed an unlikely candidate for guarding extremely well trained battle hardened enemy soldiers. Yet the guards possessed experience, and many had been POW’s themselves in WWI. They understood the prisoner mentality and the regimen of a controlled life. The Veteran Guards were used extensively in all parts of Canada including the bush camps located on Lake of the Woods.

    http://can-esc.com/blog/2010/09/02/v...ard-of-canada/


    I have the list of names KIA for the SWW, in total circa 336.


    Joseph
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    Drum & Bugle band 5th Royal Scots, photo by FW Forrest Montreal circa 1905.

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