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    Territorial? wearing 1903 ammo pouches and what looks like a leather document pouch?


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    Large albumen portrait of a colour sgt circa 1900.
    White 3 V RH embroidered letters on the shoulder straps. Victorian crown over crossed flags arm badge.

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    Ron,
    I would be inclined to date the photo as 1908. The glengarry looks to have a leather border, and these were introduced beginning in 1908. Might even be a year or two later than that since I imagine it took a few years to modify the shoulder titles to a Territorial designation. The Victorian Crown on the Colour badge does complicate things a bit but could be explained plausibly; e.g., he may have been in that rank since 1901, or the Crown had been in stores since 1901 when this man acquired it.

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    Thanks Mike, a couple of questions what material was in use pre 1908?
    When were the short collars on the tunics changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmarsden View Post
    Thanks Mike, a couple of questions what material was in use pre 1908?
    When were the short collars on the tunics changed?
    Ron.
    Ron,

    Prior to 1908 glengarries used the grossgrain "faux silk" material, and this material was brought back in 1915.

    The collar is a tougher question. I only have photographic anecdotal evidence to cite. There was not a very great increase in collar depth, but there was a more noticeable (on photographs) squaring off of the collar on OR doublets. This appears to have occurred as early as 1904-05 for the regulars. However, the rounded collars can continue to be seen in photos dated as late as 1914. I would imagine the VBs/TF lagged behind the regulars by a few years on this conversion. Bottom line: The short rounded collar is probably not a good dating feature.

    Mike

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    Mike, thanks for that always rely on you for uniform details.
    Ron.

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